Richard Dolan / audio conversation

author and historian

Richard Dolan steps out of his role as academic historian, and gets down to the challenging task of trying to untangle the frenetic weirdness that permeates the UFO abduction lore. This was a really fun  and untethered back and forth conversation. We were all over the map at we attempted to dig into the stuff that too many want to ignore. We tried to examine the gulf between the Nuts and Bolts crowd and the Love and Lighters. Each divergent side of the UFO community is easily praised and ridiculed (and we do a little of both).

  one-click audio download HERE  

Topics include, UFO abductions, meditation, mystical experiences, Kurt Vonnegut, time, consciousness, high strangeness, the "maybe" people, astrology, Elaine Douglass, Kim Carlsberg, Anya Briggs, UFO conferences, owls and MUFON.

Richard's website is HERE.

His just released new book, UFOs for the 21st Century Mind, is linked HERE.

His weekly radio show is HERE.

An, here's his 2011 interview about the book A.D. After Disclosure, co-authored with Bryce Zabel, is linked HERE.

At the very end you get to hear the beautiful voice of Jose Ferrer reading from Slaughterhouse Five (1969) by Kurt Vonnegut. This book was a defining right of passage in the 70's. This is an 11 minute excerpt where Billy Pilgrim tries to understand time as explained by the Trafalmadorians. This was part of what Richard and I spoke about as we tried to wrestle with the complexities of time.

Suzanne Chancellor / audio conversation

blogger and podcaster

My pal Suzanne and I finally get around to doing an interview—with each other!

Suzanne has had lifelong ongoing direct contact experiences with whatever might be behind the UFO mystery. Alas, no easy answers. She runs a blog where she shares her memories and challenges, linked HERE. She also has a podcast series where she interviews UFO experiencers as well as abduction researchers, linked HERE. (Does this remind you of anyone?)

  one-click audio download HERE  

I didn't wanna force Suzanne to tell the same set of experiences she's shared on other podcasts (as well as her own) so I'm linking you to the Peter Slattery Show, and his two part interview with Suzanne. Here is a link for Part ONE and Part TWO.

You can also "see" these interviews on youtube, by clicking HERE.

During our gab-fest, we mention an event involving a coyote in my yard, that story is linked HERE.

And, we talk about a Halloween photo during the 1970's, seen in a blog post linked HERE.

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streetlight weirdness

Suburbia USA

On the final night of the recent UFO conference I took my friend Cynthia to the Phoenix airport in my car. It was nighttime as we drove. At some point we got a little mixed up and I needed to use a parking lot of some fast food place to check the map. When we pulled in to a parking spot, the street light above us went off, and she casually said, "That happens to me all the time."

We checked the directions, pulled out and kept driving.

I had my hands on the steering wheel as we traveled down a typical suburban highway lined with streetlights. With my hands on the steering wheel, I would point up with my index finger at a the approaching streetlight. At that instant, the light would go out. I did this twice, and each time it went out at the exact moment I pointed. I stopped after the second time and didn't try again. I commented to Cynthia that this kinda thing felt normal.

The animation clip (below) from Fantasia came from Red Pill Junkie.

The Sorcerer's Apprentice (1940)

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video excerpt from Owls, Sychronicity and the UFO Abductee

a short excerpt

This is a 12-minute excerpt from a 75-minute presentation given at the 2014 International UFO Congress in Arizona. Standing on stage in front of hundreds of people sharing my experiences was a big deal for me. The UFO conference scene can be it's own closed little world, and it felt good to put forth some ideas that went well beyond the nuts and bolts mindset of the core group of attendees. This talk seemed to be well received and it felt good to reach this audience.

The core of this talk comes from a long format essay (of the same name) linked HERE.

There may be a point in the future when the whole presentation will be posted online. For now, the conference organizers have requested just this short edited excerpt.

NOTE: This talk has been touted 

as a "kickass presentation" by Red Pill Junkie.

This presentation (along with a lot of others) can be purchased as a DVD at the IUFOC on-line site.

Here's the description of this presentation 

from the conference program:

Mike Clelland began his study of the UFO abduction phenomenon in 2006 as a way to better understand his own personal experiences. This act of looking unleashed a flood of synchronicities as well as intense owl sightings. These events have been the focus of his ongoing research. Both owls and profound synchronicities seem to play a guiding role in the direct experience of some abductees, this connection points to a deeper reality at play in these mysteries. By looking at these elusive and often ignored aspects of the abduction lore, something truly mystical seems to be revealing itself.

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update from a coffee shop in Sedona

Panel discussion with Yvonne Smith, Kim Carlsberg, Kewaunee Lapseritis, 

myself and a bunch of orbs

I am driving home from the recent 5-day UFO conference in Scottsdale Arizona. I stood on a stage and played the role of presenter for the first time, speaking for 75 minutes on owls, UFOs and synchronicity. It seemed to go quite well and all the feedback was good. I met some great folks and heard a lot of fascinating owl stories. I'll follow this up with more info soon.

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short excerpt from Slaughterhouse Five

I read this in high school, probably 1979

Reading Slaughterhouse Five (1969) by Kurt Vonnegut was a defining right of passage in the 70's. Here's an 11 minute excerpt where Billy Pilgrim tries to understand time as explained by the Trafalmadorians. This is part of an audio interview with researcher Richard Dolan.

  one-click audio download HERE  

Plus you get to hear the beautiful voice of Jose Ferrer.

Grant Cameron interviewed by Suzanne Chancellor

Grant Cameron gets interviewed by Suzanne at Random Alien Brian Droppings. He is the author of UFOs, Area 51, and Government Informants, and is best known on the lecture circuit for his research on UFOs and the presidency. In this interview he shares that certain events have changed his focus towards consciousness, altering his views on the ET presence and their interactions with the human race.

Grant is presently researching the possible ET influence in the music industry by exploring how they are connected to certain musicians who have openly shared their contact experiences.

Grant's website linked HERE. My interview with Grant (the focus is consciousness) from last year linked HERE.

  one click audio download HERE  

Rest In Peace, Elaine Douglass

Elaine Douglass

Elaine Douglass died yesterday. It is with a heavy heart that I share this sad news.

I first heard of Elaine in 2008 on an audio interview with Karyn Dolan. After hearing her talk, I simply looked up her number and called her. Later, while driving through Moab Utah, where she was living, I made it a point to visit her home. 

On our very first meeting she asked for my help in planting a tree in her yard. I also met, and played with, her new kitten, Pip. When we went into her house, she revealed that she had made me a cake (a lemon cake). This, at a time when I was terribly distressed at what might have been my own involvement with the phenomenon.

I met with her a few more times at her home in Utah, and we spoke on the phone often. Elaine was a very strong personality, and that’s a understatement. I can see how she could rub some folks the wrong way, especially the higher ups at MUFON. I liked her enormously. I am drawn to very intense people.

I posted an audio interview with Elaine (where she calls me Honey) back in October of 2013, just a little over three months ago. There was a side of me that was a it hesitant to do that interview, because her outlook on these subjects was so dark. There is a curious pressure within this UFO sandbox to share only the love & light vibe. Elaine was in top form during that talk, and I feel very strongly that her ideas need to be a part of the overall UFO debate.

Elaine and I spent a lot of hours on the phone, late at night, wrestling with the questions and challenges that emerged from her ongoing research. She was also extremely supportive when I shared my experiences. I loved that she spoke to me straight and bluntly. I will forever cherish her passionate forthright ways. I gained something enormously vital from her friendship.

HERE is a thoughtful set of memories from fellow blogger Lucretia Heart at her AT SPIRALS' END site.

Rest In Peace, Elaine

From Ron Regher:

Elaine Douglass, formerly MUFON Director for both the District of Columbia and the State of Utah passed today, January 27, from a recurring cancer. Services will be held in California at a time and place to be determined.

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Investigating abductions by Elaine Douglass

Very interesting essay written by Elaine Douglass. It is posted below in both a PDF reader and as an the body copy of this blog post. Her conclusion, after decades of investigation, is that perhaps as many as 50% of the people who see UFOs are also abductees. This same speculative insight is echoed from most abduction researchers. Well worth reading.

Investigating abduction cases - by Elaine Douglass

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Investigating abduction cases in your state:

Just use common sense

By Elaine Douglass

Mufon State Director, Utah

This article was originally posted in the MUFON Journal, exact date unknown
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Recently a Mufon state director told me: “We haven’t had an abduction case in our state since the year one. I am not interested in abduction cases. My investigators are not interested in abduction cases. I think you have to be a trained psychologist to look into these cases.” Next, the state director was kind enough to tell me of his own experiences with grey aliens in his childhood. After that he said, “I’m mainly interested in disclosure through which I hope all the mysteries will be explained.”

He justified his position, but it is not mine. I want to find out what the aliens are doing, here and now, and the best way to get information on that is the abductions. And you don’t need to be a trained psychologist to look into abduction cases. All you need is common sense.

Sighting witnesses may be abductees

Here in Utah, where I am state director, I find the majority of sighting witnesses are abductees or probables. This is extremely significant and if true nationwide it is an insight that should inform us throughout the ranks of Mufon. In Utah, I’d say at least 50% of sighting witnesses are abductees. How do I find this out? By asking the simple question: “So, what else, in your whole life, has ever happened to you that you cannot explain?” Frequently when I ask this question of sighting witnesses, a big story comes out.

 read more below 

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job interview at the CIA conducted by an alien

During the audio conversation with Elaine Douglass, we spoke at length about one very interesting case. It told the story of a young man going to the CIA for a job interview, he claims he was given a lie detector test by an alien. The article was initially published in two parts in Journal of Abduction Research (JAR) magazine, in 2007 and 2008. The PDF below has both parts combined for easy reading.

A lot of listeners were eager to read this two-part article, they said as much in the comments below the interview posting. This essay was also featured in a segment of Mysterious Universe around Halloween 2013.

You can find another (shorter) essay from Elaine HERE. This was posted in the MUFON Journal. She writes, after decades of investigation, is that perhaps as many as 50% of the people who see UFOs are also abductees. Highly recommended.

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PLEASE NOTE: I used an optical text reading application to glean the text from the PDF file. That said, there are some pretty goofy errors in the document. I obviously didn't catch them all (I tried) so heads up that some sentences will play out as absurd. 

Don’t apply for a job at the CIA—

You might be interviewed by an alien 

 By Elaine Douglass

This article was originally posted in two separate parts. It is now one article.

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I am saddened to report that Elaine died. Here is a short remembrance is linked HERE. She left us on January 27th 2014 after a long battle with cancer.

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Terence McKenna and Kenneth Ring on UFOs and NDEs

parts one and two, these are required viewing.

A short conversation, in two parts, between two extraordinary thinkers, Terence McKenna and Kenneth Ring. The book The Omega Project was written by Ring, and in it he explores the relationship between the UFO phenomenon and the Near Death Experience. This video was created shot on location in Prague, Czechoslovakia during the International Transpersonal Conference in June 1992, known at Prague Gnosis.

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audio conversation with Brad Steiger (2014)

Author and researcher, Brad Steiger

Brad Steiger is one of the hard working giants in this field. I was delighted and honored to spend an hour in conversation listening to his deep, hypnotic voice. He shares many of his owl personal experiences, and he comes across as less an author and more of a mystic.

There is another excellent interview with Brad from 2011. These two interviews will play well side-by-side, creating (in a sort) a full two-hour interview. The order doesn't matter, and none of the information overlaps. Each of these audio interviews are just a little over one-hour long.

one-click audio downloads linked below

  2014 interview HERE  

  2011 interview HERE  

Brad and his wife, Sherry Hansen Steiger, just published a new book titled Real Encounters, Different Dimensions and Otherworldly Beings, this is a perfect companion to their 2011 book Real Aliens, Space Beings and Creatures form Other Worlds.

Taken from first-person accounts and historical documents, this 2013 book chronicles a huge number of examples of alien encounters, ghost enconters, near death experiences and these mystical events influence human events.

When you visit Brad and Sherry's web-site (HERE), be prepared because there's a lot of info crammed into that site. Together, they have done a lot of books and research over the decades.

Mary Rodwell on Skeptiko (part TWO)

Alex from the Skeptiko talks with UFO abduction researcher Mary Rodwell. This is the second in a two-part set of interviews. As always, I am impressed with the depth of his questions and the way he challenges his guests to dig deep. These two interviews are highly recommended. 

  click here for part ONE  

  click here for part TWO  

The Skeptiko has logged a series of excellent podcasts, all focused on the UFO abduction lore and how it is intertwined with human consciousness. This aspect of the phenomenon is shunned by to many within the pool of researchers, so I am grateful that Alex is examining this important side of the overall weirdness. 

  click HERE for all these SKEPTIKO podcasts 

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those are airplanes, not UFOs

Despite the dramatic music, those are airplanes

Jeeesh, I'm sort of annoyed that people will post videos claiming that "Strange Visitors Make An Appearance" when what they are showing is obviously a bunch of airplanes. I found this HERE at Before-It's-News.

There is set of apartments in the foreground of the video frame with "Pacific Point" clearly seen in big letters on the side of the building. Easily googled, here's the address.

3468 Main Beach Parade, 

Surfers Paradise QLD 4217, Australia +61 7 5531 7120

Go to google maps, and there is an airport right where I knew it would be. The runway lines up with the air traffic seen as long streaks of light.

These nighttime images are long exposures. The images in the sky are clearly airplane lights that create a long glowing line due to the long exposure. They trace back to the airport. Anyone who has played with long exposures at night will have captured exactly these kinds of streaks of light from cars, planes and people with flashlights.

The tiny dots above some of the long streak of light seem to be the blinking running lights on a plane. The lights on the beach are cars in motion, where their headlights create the long streak of light.

This bit of internet detective work took me about one minute!

The marker at the top shows the Pacific Point apartments.

The Surfer's Paradise airport is noted below.

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Okay, one more example of something that's obviously NOT a UFO here.
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Red Pill Junkie on Radio Mysterioso

Greg Bishop interviews a close friend of Hidden Experience, the infamous Red Pill Junkie. Search comments throughout this site, and you'll find the name Red Pill Junkie all over. RPJ's insights have helped me enormously over the years. When I write, I am always aware that RPJ will be paying very close attention, his presence here, perhaps more than anyone, has encouraged me me to be as honest and clear with my thoughts as I can be.

Greg's show with RPJ linked HERE.

one-click audio download HERE

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where did the road go? (audio interview)

I did an audio interview with Seriah Azkath on his excellent podcast series Where Did the Road Go? We talked about owls, conciousness, UFOs and all kinds of paranormal weirdness. This was a really good conversation, I was jacked up on strong coffee and you can hear it in my voice. Seriah is a really insightful and thoughtful host, and i can highly recomend his site.

  audio interview linked HERE  

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August 10th, crop circles and owls

That's me sitting in a crop circle in Teton Idaho, 2002

One date has come up in this research that encompasses owls, crop circles and myself. The personal aspect feels very weird. I’ve included a set of links int this post that will help define some of these events.

~ August 10th 2002 - Teton Idaho
~ August 10th 2009 - Owl design UK
~ August 10th 2013 - Chute Causeway UK

I had a curious psychic flash while sitting at my desk, this happened over a decade ago. This nice thought just appeared in my head: “We need a crop circle here!” The next morning, August 10th, 2002,  a crop circle was found in a field of wheat near the small town of Teton Idaho. By western standards, this is quite close to me. No owls in this event.

Wiltshire County UK, 2009

On August 10th 2009, a crop circle in the UK appeared with the stylized owl face in the design. This was a rare circle because it reappeared the next year., this was because the crop that had been pressed down the summer before grew differently and it could be seen from above. It produced a visual echo of sorts. No connection to me with this event.

Chute Causeway formation, 2013

On August 10th 2013 a crop circle, known as the Chute Causeway formation, appeared in the UK. This rather complex set of events involves a crop circle, owls and myself. I have a friend who experienced a profound connection to this circle, she was with a crew of croppies in southern England and they meditated for the appearance of a crop circle on the night before, August 9th. They were asking for a circle with the theme of peace. She woke up at four in the morning (on August 10th) and while lying in bed, she formally asked to be taken to see a crop circle being formed. What she describes next was a weird rotating sensation and what might have been an outer body experience. As this was happening she blacked out.

The next morning my friend and her crew of croppies heard about a new circle from that night before, and they hurried off to visit it. She describes an outright mystical experience while she stood within the circle. Months later she had a hypnotic regression to explore this experience, specifically what might have happened the morning she asked to be taken to see a crop circle being formed.
More on her experiences in a formal report sometime soon.

Now, back in the USA, at about nine in the evening of Aug 9th, I saw a great horned owl land on a tree in my neighbors yard. I was standing on his deck, and myself and two other people watched the owl for a few minutes and then it flew off. It was a lovely sighting, the bird was silhouetted against the twilight sky at the very top of a spruce tree right up close to where we stood.

At the time, I couldn’t figure out any significance to that sighting, I just dismissed it as nothing more than a pleasant chance to see an owl. It was only later, after talking with my friend at length about her experience with the Chute Causeway circle, that I realized this might match the owl sighting in my neighbors yard.

Allowing for the time difference, 9:PM Mountain Time (Aug. 9th) lines up precisely with 4:AM GMT (Aug. 10th). That means I had an owl sighting that happened at the same time my friend described having an outer body experience seven time zones away.

Peace signs embedded within the design

Also of note, a Dutch researcher made an diagram of the Chute Causeway circle, He worked from aerial photos and posted his image on-line on the same day circle appeared. What turned up in the design were six little peace signs. These weren’t in the field, they only emerged after he used a computer to connect points within the design. So, after a group of people meditated with the intention of manifesting a crop circle with the theme of peace, a circle appeared nearby with peace signs hidden within the design.

Chute Causway formation, 2013

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Also of note is Aug 9th. I wrote about an event involving a woman named Diana and how she found a wounded owl in her driveway, This event is curiously linked to an owl sighting I had 5 days earlier She found the owl on August 9th 2012. You can find this report as part of Owls and the UFO Abductee, on page 19 of the PDF.

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interview with Kelly Cahill

Kelly Cahill

This is the audio track from an interview with Australian abductee Kelly Cahill. The sound was lifted from a 5 part series of youtube videos, and they are all edited together for easier listening. This interview probably took place sometime in the late 1990's.

  one-click audio download HERE  

Kelly has a remarkable and well documented case. In August 1993, the then 27-year-old Kelly and her husband and three children were driving home after a visiting a friend. On a rural road on the drive home the car was stopped by a large disc shaped craft and an abduction occurred. This event was witnessed by several other people from different locations, making it a highly credible event.

There is a very interesting bit that Kelly shares about the birth of her son, it comes late in the interview at the 43:00 time count.

Here is a good write up of her experience by Bill Chalker (HERE). And, here is a link to her now out-of-print 1997 book Encounter.

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Miriam Delicado offers her book for free

Experiencer and author, Miriam Delicado, is giving away her book, Blue Star Fulfilling for free as PDF. It was published in 2007, and it details Miriam's contact events throughout her life, including a profound experience in 1988.

  It's available free on her website HERE  

I read this book when it came out and it is a very interesting first person account of some of the highly complex strangeness that confront the experiencer. I can recommend it highly.

She announced this on her site:

It has been almost 5 years since Blue Star Fulfilling Prophecy was made available to the public... On Amazon I only receive 26 cents per book sold. I am unsure of the number to books sold but I can say that far more were given for free than were ever sold and I have never said no to anyone who ever asked me for one for free.

Now it's time to share this book for free to all of you. I only get a few people each month who buy the download pdf from me at for $9.99 and I would really like to get this message out to as many people as possible. 

You can listen to an audio interview with Miriam from 2009 HERE.

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Skeptiko covers UFOs and consciousness

Skeptiko is a podcast series focused on human consciousness, it's run by a really smart and perceptive host, Alex Tsakiris. Recently he has been turning to the UFO phenomenon as a topic, and with his focus on consciousness the results have been really impressive. Nobody out there is digging into these mysteries with his insights.

I'm linking seven excellent Skeptiko shows on the topic of UFOs. It sorta blows my mind that I'm a guest on one of these episodes.

• Dr. David Jacobs (part one)
• Dr. David Jacobs (part two)
• Mary Rodwell (part one)
• Mary Rodwell (part two)
• Dr. Janet Colli
• Mike Clelland
• Grant Cameron (on consciousness)
• Stanton Friedman (on consciousness)

There have been some questions that arose out of the David Jacobs episodes. I have to say that he comes across sounding quite intolerant of the larger pool of data that has been amassed by people other than himself. This two-part interview is worth listen to just to hear his point of view.

He also made some statements about the late Dr. John Mack that don't seem to ring true. I've included a particular quote from Jacobs (transcribed from part one) and a response from Will Bueche, this text was lifted from the Skeptiko forums. Will worked with Dr. Mack and continues to this day as part of the John E. Mack Institute.

 read more below 

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