tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post8534636424197597172..comments2024-03-20T06:35:39.421-07:00Comments on hidden experience: thoughts on past life hypnosis session London, July 2nd 2014Mike Clelland!http://www.blogger.com/profile/11369575898695154728noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-54476000399832298272020-02-11T14:43:51.922-08:002020-02-11T14:43:51.922-08:00Mike, about it being ´too perfect´...the truth oft...Mike, about it being ´too perfect´...the truth often is, no...?:D Be it in the past or the present. Thanks so much for sharing this. / Mathias S.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-16887794754953042392016-08-05T15:23:42.455-07:002016-08-05T15:23:42.455-07:00Hi Mike -
Quick thought as I listen to your hypno...Hi Mike -<br /><br />Quick thought as I listen to your hypnosis account....<br /><br />I sometimes notice word plays when dealing with paranormal stuff. The name "Quentar" could also be spelled as "Cuentar" in Spanish. Doing a Google for "Cuentar" offers the word "account" although there are other contextual translations as well.<br /><br />Try it out. I thought the result I did was kind of fascinating.Sphinx Magoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06482592989882628235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-76489524859532172132016-07-20T00:53:28.117-07:002016-07-20T00:53:28.117-07:00Interesting comments by doubter and Knocker.
Deep...Interesting comments by doubter and Knocker. <br />Deep exploring of reality takes mighty amounts of guts and trust and imagination. And skillful use of whatever means it takes. Ian Stevenson had that. Mike Clelland and Lorraine Flaherty (telling from the work here) has that. Each in their own way.<br /><br />Stevenson, a hard science,"outer world" scientist- hooray for him, incredible guy- worked his means his way. There are many ways, though.<br />To put "only" in front of "self exploration" is quite according to the orthodoxy of the 19th and 20th century "dead-meat science". Well in line the party line of what decent, sane, intelligent people were to think back then not to look like fools. But it´s a mistake. <br /><br /><br />Self and other, subject and object, inner and outer worlds is the crux. <br />And,"Know thyself", used with high skill, goes to the core and over the edge of those or any world. <br /><br />There´s a search for science (=knowledge). There´s a hero´s journey.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />eattherichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16717182190948127353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-53870025008050135592014-07-24T10:04:59.781-07:002014-07-24T10:04:59.781-07:00Mike,
I wanted to re-read this… And make another ...Mike,<br />I wanted to re-read this… And make another comment. First however… and I thought about sending you an email but instead I will include in this comment…. But I thought I would check out Lorraine’s site and I went to her blog. Really interesting… but I found my whole body tingling from one of her posts and this is such a personal thing I don’t think it could mean anything to anybody but me. I have never told anyone this… and I don’t even have a meaning for it. It seems quite disconnected from most of my usual concerns and yet in some way I don’t fathom is not. Let me quote from her post…<br /><br />“A voice in my head said 'You must bring some stones back with you. You will know them when you see them.'<br /><br />...<br /><br />I walked slowly really paying attention to what was below my feel and then I saw them, Two stones side by side. One was dark and angular and the other was paler, smoother and almost perfectly round.<br /><br />Just as I bent down to pick them up I heard a strange sound. <br /><br />I looked up and coming down the mountain and heading straight for me was a 30 foot twister. It was throwing dirt and snow into the air and I had no idea what to do. I though about running to get away from it but something held me in my spot. I am not prone to going into fear and I reckoned that this was some kind of test. I had been led to this spot with the stones so I figured it was the best place to be.<br /><br />I held my ground and this twister came within feet of where I was standing. I swirled around in front of me for a few moments and then- just as suddenly as it had appeared- it disappeared into the trees.<br /><br />My first thought was to say thank you to the mountain- it felt like a real honour- then my logical mind kicked in and I said 'Lorraine, do not be ridiculous- this is clearly something that happens up here all the time because the energy is so high.' There was not a soul to be seen so I had no one to ask.<br /><br />I had arranged to meet someone who lived in the area and over a cup of tea I mentioned to her what had happened. She laughed and said that in all the many years that she had lived there she had never heard of such a thing. Dust devils would appear in the plains...but on a snow covered mountain.....unheard of.<br /><br />So was I being welcomed by the spirit of the mountain.....I have no idea. I will let you decide.”<br /><br />Now I have- I don’t really even know what to call it- a ‘thing’ about tornadoes, twisters, etc… they seem somehow to be a very personal symbol to me. I am not sure what that means exactly- just wind itself, since I was a child, has had some kind of special meaning to me- and I have this ‘fantasy’- something I have tried to write about- something that has to do with bringing a kind of offering of jewels to the wind, to a ‘twister’ or tornado… and here is Lorraine up in the mountains completely startled by this twister after having picked a couple special stones- without a doubt stones having a value quite unique and immeasurable- not unlike jewels at all in this context- clearly the stones and the twister are connected in a way that makes no sense here not in my usual way of making sense of things.<br /><br />And she felt honored by this experience- by the presence of the twister. And that is something in this fantasy of mine too. I would have no reason to share this with anyone- and it seems to me so totally without much sense and yet here in Lorraine’s blog I find it acted out in a way I would never have imagined coming to pass. What can I make of this… well at first I didn’t even think about it but when I realized this was an enactment at some level of this ridiculous fantasy of mine I started tingling all over from I guess just the wonder of it… <br /> <br />Let me however get back to your post about past lives… I feel quite moved by it. I am struck by its effect on you and the deep sobbing it elicited. The experience touched something in you beyond words… and has touched me as well and even before I had read all of this post I felt like saying thankyou.<br />JamesJameshttp://tormance.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-45912359233493171892014-07-23T14:36:30.276-07:002014-07-23T14:36:30.276-07:00I havent even finished this thing... wow! The 4 h...I havent even finished this thing... wow! The 4 hours was swallowed up...Jameshttp://tormance.worpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-36509544420022613622014-07-18T07:42:21.399-07:002014-07-18T07:42:21.399-07:00Yes, I agree hypnosis is useless except for explo...Yes, I agree hypnosis is useless except for exploring the inner world. For me, it's guided meditation and valuable only in self exploration. Knockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784209368952045856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-1194245857072313502014-07-17T14:36:15.814-07:002014-07-17T14:36:15.814-07:00It is very important whether Past Life Regression ...It is very important whether Past Life Regression Therapy "memories" are of a real past life or just a fantasy, because this bears on the supremely important question of survival of death. I think this experience was probably an elaborate confabulation by the unconscious mind, which because of the depression and other emotional problems was trying to heal itself. <br /><br />Naturally the story created by the unconscious was extremely meaningful and tailored to the personality, because it needed to be for the healing to take place. The subconscious had years to create this fantasy from all the information and speculations and New Age material the conscious mind accumulated. <br /><br />The famous reincarnation researcher Ian Stevenson rightly rejected hypnotic regression as a valid method and selected more empirical methods, because of the well known tendency of the mind to confabulate stories in response to inner needs and the suggestions of the therapist.doubternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-83205202822354945822014-07-17T07:36:49.654-07:002014-07-17T07:36:49.654-07:00That's the great thing about hypnosis. It'...That's the great thing about hypnosis. It's entirely possible to self monitor, almost like lucid dreaming though different because the therapist is guiding, if only to an extent, to bring about results pertinent to an individual's experience. By experience, I mean one's issues and emotional make up. I wouldn't recommend it for anything else. But it's like having each of one's feet in different worlds and being able to navigate each effortlessly.Knockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784209368952045856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-51181137574422849232014-07-17T04:11:44.174-07:002014-07-17T04:11:44.174-07:00What I really liked about this piece was that you ...What I really liked about this piece was that you brought your unique style of objectivity to the experience. I don't recall reading a first-person hypnosis account with so much self-monitoring ... things like wondering whether you were trying to please the hypnotist while the process was actually taking place.<br />Good one!John Burkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-41004862907338365112014-07-17T03:11:02.066-07:002014-07-17T03:11:02.066-07:00Wow. This story really strike a cord with me. I ha...Wow. This story really strike a cord with me. I had one of those past life regression session 12-13 years ago. And it was life changing for me as well, or should I say a big weight off my shoulders. <br /><br />Early 1940's, farmer in western Canada, young wife and 2 kids, got called up for "duty", or the butchery of WW2. Never seen the sea. Put on a boat, never made it across the pond, got torpedoed or sunk (that's the only part of the story I couldn't verify, name of the ship and what really happened to it). Up to that day, I was scared shiitless of water, boats, pools and beaches. Still wary of them, but at least I can hit the pool since that time. <br /><br />But there was a lot more to it with research afterward. Son died in car accident, wife died in burglary a few years later, farm was sold, new family of 6 died in house that I built, from electrical fire, this life I'm an electrical engineer (to fix up the karma I guess...). Daughter lost the trail after her marriage and move overseas. Got so obsessed with it I even took a 3000 mile trip to the place, just had to come to terms with it. Had some major flashbacks and goosebumps when I drove by the farm and village. Really spooky feelin'. When asked how many previous lives, my answer was 11. Never went back for the others. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-47560990365436767442014-07-16T14:18:26.758-07:002014-07-16T14:18:26.758-07:00You deserve to reap the benefits, Mike :)You deserve to reap the benefits, Mike :)Red Pill Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14738203580562140501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-45148540929695378042014-07-16T14:08:57.771-07:002014-07-16T14:08:57.771-07:00The one detail that makes me cautious about the st...The one detail that makes me cautious about the story that emerged, is that it is just *TOO* perfect.<br /><br />I so cleanly matches my present day issues, albeit within a wildly exaggerated storyline.<br /><br />BUT - on a very real level, I don't care, I feel I can reap the benefits and lessons regardless it it's real or not.<br /><br />Mike CMike Clelland!https://www.blogger.com/profile/11369575898695154728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-51003761520267534022014-07-16T11:29:42.350-07:002014-07-16T11:29:42.350-07:00Re. the not sobbing uncontrollably from metaphors ...Re. the not sobbing uncontrollably from metaphors & self-told stories: I once dreamed I was some sort of guerrilla fighter that had been captured in some Latin American jungle, and was about to be executed by a firing squad. I remember waking up from that dream sobbing so loud & uncontrollably my father went out to check on me --I guess I probably yelled or something-- (also bear in mind I was already in high school when this happened!)<br /><br />So what am I to think of the aforementioned remark, and my emotional response to that dream, or others I've had in which I wake up myself without able to stop the flow of tears pouring out of my eyes? The 'simple' explanation is that during the dream I 'remembered' a past life in which I was this young guerrilla fighter who died too soon at the hands of his enemies; but I for one am not willing to jump to that conclusion just yet.<br /><br />Our minds are a vast uncharted territory. We've barely begun to explore it. Red Pill Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14738203580562140501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-57972289211134217582014-07-16T11:02:17.827-07:002014-07-16T11:02:17.827-07:00So powerful an experience!
My own opinion, having...So powerful an experience!<br /><br />My own opinion, having had regressions (both good open ones and the bad 'led' kind) is that generally speaking, most of what comes out, unless its pushed by the hypnotist, is literal truth. The mind leaps to guess to fill in blanks, so having some doubts about certain details makes sense. But the overall underlying truth of the session is what is useful in the end, regardless.<br /><br />I agree that people do NOT sob uncontrollably from metaphors and self-told stories. I think its quite likely you were who you remember, even if some particular details are 'off.' Its been a long time and you're using a new brain, can't expect that memory to be perfect. The story itself is what you remember and that is what is important. <br /><br />I've also said under hypnosis that I agreed to the abductions by aliens before I was born! Even as I was saying it while under I winced to myself because-- well, you know how I feel about that. But I said it too, dammit! <br /><br />What I remember without hypnosis makes it clear to me that real, physical stuff is happening, including relationships of an odd and ongoing nature over multiple lifetimes. I'll be writing more about that soon. <br /><br />I'm glad you took the plunge and learned something new about yourself. And if I happened to be any of those people (I was, after all, a soldier in World War One in my last life-- we could have run into one another) then just know I have no awareness of any issues with you, so I assume you're already forgiven on my end. =^) <br /><br />Thanks for sharing your journey!Lucretia Hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038287234542460969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-79274080042807909532014-07-15T13:39:59.199-07:002014-07-15T13:39:59.199-07:00
I wonder if the hypnosis
sessi...<br /><br /> I wonder if the hypnosis <br /> session will have a deepening <br /> effect on certain aspects of <br /> your dreaming..?... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-8916948187344241972014-07-14T10:58:14.817-07:002014-07-14T10:58:14.817-07:00Glad to learn you recovered your hunger back.
You...Glad to learn you recovered your hunger back.<br /><br />Your sudden sobbing episode reminded me of something I heard while listening to my friends the Grimericans interview Sara Chetkin, author of the book The Healing Curve: A Catalyst to Consciousness; most of what she said could be interpreted as 'new age fluff' but there's something that had the ring of truth: She said that perhaps we should think of emotions as 'e-motions' --i.e. energy in motion, because they're meant to be always flowing; and whenever we don't let our emotions flow, a blockage in our body is formed, like a dam trapping water. Sometimes those dams are translated into physical or psychological illness.<br /><br />And about Quentar, when you Google the name the only thing that appears is a little town in Granada, Spain. The name seems to be derived from the Arabic <i>Qaryat al kantar</i>, which means 'bridge or pass' to the <i>alquería</i>, which is a rural village located near the cities of Andalucía.<br /><br />So, you could say Quentar is a 'bridge'. And I for one find that analogy meaningful :)Red Pill Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14738203580562140501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-36757507505410510252014-07-14T05:07:55.731-07:002014-07-14T05:07:55.731-07:00This was very interesting and moving. Thanks, Mike...This was very interesting and moving. Thanks, Mike, good for you:).<br /><br /><br />I think, really, it´s all symbolic AND real. And certainly so, the different aspects of deep regression and resonant past life memories. <br /><br />I agree with Anonymous, metaphor is also truth."It makes no difference"-great quote!.<br /><br />We´re living in a metaphorical universe. Dreams whithin dreams.<br /><br />(BTW thanks much for posting the link to the danish tv-series! Have been looking for them, watched them when they came out (I´m in Sweden). Like you said they´re kind of too edited down but still<br />REALLY interesting.)eattherichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16717182190948127353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-87548066442237471392014-07-13T07:21:18.782-07:002014-07-13T07:21:18.782-07:00Thank you for such powerful truth, Mike. The stor...Thank you for such powerful truth, Mike. The story is riveting for its truth, metaphor or otherwise. What resonated for me was the difficulty we have in finding forgiveness for ourselves and how that offering to ourselves is the catalyst for understanding peace and even joy. <br /><br />I attended one group regression session many years ago and came face to face with my self imposed loneliness. Because this was no therapy session, I took quite a few years to work through all that, but it never mattered much if I ever lived that particular life. There was truth in the emotions and my fear was real enough whether suffered in the long ago or yesterday. <br /><br />Seems to me fear and forgiveness are a dancing pair. Sounds like you're in the lead and I'm very happy for you. Thank you for your honesty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7455216065351371692.post-59736656594724802422014-07-12T13:18:59.544-07:002014-07-12T13:18:59.544-07:00Hi Mike
Regarding the question of reality versus ...Hi Mike<br /><br />Regarding the question of reality versus metaphor you might be interested in a Danish tv-series from 2003 that examined the reality of the regression experience. They regressed half a dozen people and subsequently conducted investigations in order to verify the information obtained during the regressions. The episodes are edited for brevity and entertainment value but are worth watching none the less. There is some success in verifying the information (and some failures..), but what stands out and is conveyed very well, is how moved the persons become and the deep sense of recognition they experience upon seeing the place where they alleged lived in a previous life. A link to the tv-series can be found in the following post in Skeptiko-podcast forum, which also has English subtitles attached (in case your Scandinavian is a bit rusty ;-). Most of the investigations are conducted in English, but the subtitles are definately helpful for the actual regression sessions.<br /><br />http://skeptiko-forum.com/threads/243-scott-de-tamble-explores-lives-between-lives.765/#post-18251lhlnoreply@blogger.com